Today on 'Finding the Guardian of Your Soul,' Lisa and Benjamin Shield delve deep into the nuanced world of relationship communication in a compelling episode titled 'Bridging the Communication Divide.' This discussion shines a light on the often misunderstood dynamics between how men and women express love and emotions. While women commonly seek verbal validation and emotional discourse, men tend to demonstrate their affection through actions.
Welcome to another enlightening episode of *Finding the Guardian of Your Soul ®*! Join hosts Lisa and Benjamin Shield as they dive into the heart of relationship dynamics in this episode, titled "Bridging the Communication Divide." Today, we’ll unravel the complexities of how men and women communicate differently. While women seek verbal validation and expressions of feelings, men often demonstrate love through actions rather than words.
Lisa and Benjamin will discuss how societal expectations and a lack of role models make it challenging for men to express their emotions. You’ll learn practical tips on how to better understand each other’s communication styles and meet in the middle for a more harmonious relationship. From the need for women to communicate their needs without shaming men, to appreciating the value men place on silence and companionship over constant conversation, this episode offers a roadmap to deepen your connection.
We’ll also explore how men appreciate direct, concise communication and how women can offer feedback in a non-shaming manner. Plus, stay tuned as Lisa and Benjamin share insights into their own positive and grateful relationship, and don’t forget to hear about their special six-month emotionally naked dating course. For more details, visit lisashield.com. So, get ready to bridge the communication divide and strengthen your relationship, right here on Finding the Guardian of Your Soul.
Lisa Shield [00:00:01]:
Hi, I'm Lisa Shield.
Benjamin Shield [00:00:03]:
And I'm Benjamin Shield.
Lisa Shield [00:00:04]:
And this is getting inside the right male mind. I am the founder of end, a six month course where we teach you how to find the guardian of your soul. This course doesn't teach you how to just find any guy. It teaches you how to find the guy. The one who sees you, supports your soul's journey, and does everything in his power to help you fulfill your dreams, just like you do for me. All right, babe, what's today's topic?
Benjamin Shield [00:00:35]:
The topic today is how men communicate differently from women.
Lisa Shield [00:00:40]:
And I really think that if women can get this, it will be a game changer for.
Benjamin Shield [00:00:45]:
Right, right. Because words or even silence can draw two people together, and they can bring two people apart.
Lisa Shield [00:00:56]:
Yeah. And it's so important that, you know, I don't know. I do think a lot of women have a sense that we get it right and men get it wrong, and we're constantly trying to school men and do it better, and men just have their own way of being. It's not that they're not. They're trying to annoy us. They're not be there for us a lot of the time, but we have to meet in the middle to make this work. So let's look at some of these differences in communication.
Benjamin Shield [00:01:31]:
I think men feel, many men feel more comfortable with actions more than words, like showing their love through action, rather than, you know, expressing feelings.
Lisa Shield [00:01:44]:
And my guess is that when women come in and they're like, well, you haven't said I love you, and do you love me? I haven't. You know, and a man is trying so hard, through his actions, to show how much he cares about her. How does that feel?
Benjamin Shield [00:02:03]:
Well, I think about my dad, who had as many as three jobs, and it was his way of showing love. You know, he wasn't a man that was verbally expressive by any means, not at all. But he did what he could do to show his love through just working and providing and making sure that everyone was taken care of.
Lisa Shield [00:02:27]:
And do you feel like your mother got that?
Benjamin Shield [00:02:30]:
I think there were some things that she needed to hear that she didn't hear. So. Yes and no.
Lisa Shield [00:02:39]:
Yeah. I think that it's important for men to be more forthcoming and understanding of a woman's need to hear, I love you, I need you. You're beautiful. But we need that verbal validation a lot more than men do. I also think it's very important for a woman to understand how challenging it can be for men and that they're not trying not to say those things, but it really. They feel that they're doing it through their actions. And so I often think men are very shocked to find that a woman doesn't feel loved.
Benjamin Shield [00:03:20]:
And a lot of men never had the role model of expressing feelings. I think I'm just lucky that I got good counseling over the years because, you know, I never heard it from my dad, you know, giving my mom, you know, telling my mom, you know, intimate feelings, either about what was going on with her, what was going on with them.
Lisa Shield [00:03:46]:
Yeah. I don't think I ever heard my father say very many kind things to my mother. I don't remember that at all. Yeah, that's interesting. Well, you know, and it's about meeting in the middle. It's about a man understanding a woman's need for verbal communication to hear those words. But it's also so important for women to understand that often it just isn't in a man's nature to say those things. They almost might feel silly to some man, you know, a little too sappy or silly.
Benjamin Shield [00:04:28]:
Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, men are encouraged, you know, through media, you know, movies, tv shows, detective shows. They're taught to be stoic. You know, they're taught to be independent and less emotionally expressive. I mean, the extreme would be like the guy in high noon. I forgot the actor, but just very, very few words. But he showed his integrity, and he showed his feelings that way.
Lisa Shield [00:05:09]:
Well, in one of your favorite shows, Longmire.
Benjamin Shield [00:05:12]:
Oh, yeah.
Lisa Shield [00:05:14]:
He's very stoic.
Benjamin Shield [00:05:15]:
Yeah. And says very little, but has a lot of feeling. It's just bottled up.
Lisa Shield [00:05:21]:
Yep. And it comes out in other ways. He shows it in these very tender moments with his daughter and with the woman that works with him. Yeah. So it's interesting. I think also women can be, we're so focused on getting what we want and hearing what we want that we often miss the nuances of how beautiful men are and how hard they're trying. And if we were to look in these other places and keep our hearts open, I do that with you. You're lovely.
Lisa Shield [00:06:00]:
I mean, you're always telling me I'm beautiful, and we always say, I love you. But I also see in between those things, the way you look at me or the way you are, I just. I see your love, and I don't have to hear it all the time. I know.
Benjamin Shield [00:06:22]:
And sometimes women have to hear it a certain way. They have a need to hear it a certain way. And it's perfectly fine to tell a man not to make him wrong. But to say, you know what? Just turn me on. What I think of big turn is when a man says, dot, dot, dot, that really turns me on. And men would love to. They want to make women happy. And to hear something like that, we're very educationable, if that's the right word.
Lisa Shield [00:06:53]:
Yeah, but you don't want to say, why don't you ever say you love me?
Benjamin Shield [00:06:58]:
Right? Because that's shaming, distancing.
Lisa Shield [00:07:02]:
We have a client who is so full of life, and she's passionate and loving, and she was with a man who didn't say, I love you for almost seven months, I believe. And finally she said it. You know, she finally said it. And she said, now they tell each other I love you so often, it's ridiculous. But she gave him the space. And finally, after a certain amount of time, she thought, you know, I think he needs a little help here. And she did it in such a sweet way, not punishing or, you know, shaming. But she just said, I have to say this because it's what I really feel.
Lisa Shield [00:07:49]:
Yeah.
Benjamin Shield [00:07:50]:
Yeah. And men use fewer words. I mean, we tend to think in a straight line. You know, we think linearly, and we often don't repeat ourselves. And the conversation is usually looking for a particular outcome, like, want to go out to eat?
Lisa Shield [00:08:17]:
And not a whole 20 minutes discussion on that, but, like, would you like to go out to eat? And what kind of food would you like?
Benjamin Shield [00:08:25]:
Right.
Lisa Shield [00:08:26]:
It's a two question conversation.
Benjamin Shield [00:08:30]:
I'll wait in the car.
Lisa Shield [00:08:32]:
Yeah. And women.
Benjamin Shield [00:08:36]:
Well, it can be a discussion. Well, you know, there's that new restaurant, but I heard mixed reviews, and, you know, we ate at this other place before, but, you know, and it could be this amorphous cloud that a man begins to tune out.
Lisa Shield [00:08:57]:
Uh huh. And the other thing, too, is that, you know, in. In contrast to men, I think women use too many words. We think in circles. We're constantly repeating ourselves, and we talk to process rather than find solutions. So if you really look at both of those ways of communicating, they're so almost on opposite ends of the spectrum. And you think, how do these two creatures meet in the middle? I know that I really spent a lot of time thinking about my communication, and I also spent a lot of time watching responses from men, just seeing when their eyes would glass over or when they would say something like, well, we already talked about that, or we're repeating ourselves, or, I already told you how I feel, you know, or what I think I can't. I don't have another opinion.
Lisa Shield [00:10:05]:
So men will actually say these very precise statements. And as a woman, it's so important to, when a man says something like that to Paul, pause and really hear what that man is telling you. You know, you're very articulate and, you know, when you're getting overwhelmed and you will say to me things like, look, we're starting to process, and I think if you want to talk about this anymore, you really should call a girlfriend. So I know that, and I can see when you're done. And I just respect it. Like, I don't take it personally. I don't, you know, sometimes I'm like, oh, I crossed the line. But I don't feel that that's like I did anything wrong.
Lisa Shield [00:10:55]:
I just know I'm a woman and that's what I do.
Benjamin Shield [00:10:58]:
And men take in things more slowly. So we often need silence in the conversation, not because we're tuning out, but we're trying to process or understand what was just said. I think women are much quicker. So a man may take some important pauses and the woman might think, what is he thinking of? What did I say?
Lisa Shield [00:11:24]:
Or is he not listening?
Benjamin Shield [00:11:25]:
Yeah, right.
Lisa Shield [00:11:26]:
Or did I say the wrong thing?
Benjamin Shield [00:11:28]:
Is he tuning me out?
Lisa Shield [00:11:29]:
Uh huh.
Benjamin Shield [00:11:29]:
Yeah.
Lisa Shield [00:11:30]:
And normally a man is really going inside and thinking about and formulating an answer. I often tell clients that you really need to count to 60. You know, it can, those can be the longest 60 seconds you've ever spent, but you need to literally go one. 10 02, 10 03, 10 04. And not talk over a man.
Benjamin Shield [00:11:55]:
Yeah. And interrupting the silence is like interrupting when he's speaking. You know, it's breaking to a man, it could feel disrespectful. Like, she's not respecting the silence where I'm trying to understand things or in a conversation. She's not respecting what I'm saying. And respect is the most important thing a man could feel. Even more important than love. A man needs to feel respect, particularly respect, from his woman.
Lisa Shield [00:12:28]:
And cutting men off is completely, completely disrespectful. Yeah, yeah, it's it. And women think so fast, and they do. We do cut men off. We also cut men off because we can have many conversations happening simultaneously. It's like if you go to many men's computers, they will have one screen open, and they open one screen and they close any other screens. Well, a woman can have 100 screens. I mean, if you look at the icons open at the bottom of my screen, all the stuff, you wouldn't have all of those things open if I were to go to your computer? No, barely.
Lisa Shield [00:13:12]:
You keep your calendar open, right? And you keep your gmail, your contacts, your calendar and your gmail. That's pretty much it. If you're working on a document, you open and close it. I've got 20 documents here at the bottom of my.
Benjamin Shield [00:13:29]:
Yes, you do.
Lisa Shield [00:13:30]:
Yes, I do. But men, if you interrupt them, you know, they can lose their train of thought, not just because they don't. You know, it can seem sometimes you can say, well, I didn't mean that or whatever, but that feeling of just disrespect can shut a man down to the point where he doesn't want to continue the conversation. Yeah, I've been there with you. Guilty as charged.
Benjamin Shield [00:13:58]:
And I think another difference is that men often don't ask a lot of questions. And a woman might interpret this as indifference. And we hear it from clients where they'll say, well, he hardly asked anything about me. He just wasn't interested. And men often, it's like puzzle pieces floating towards them, and they wait for the information and they assume that what's important will come forward. And so I was accused of that many times. And women were hurt. That was dating over the years because I didn't ask a lot of questions, because I felt that, first, it would be intrusive.
Benjamin Shield [00:14:45]:
Second, I didn't want to have, like, an interview. And I felt, again, what's important would come forward, whether it was in this conversation or a future conversation.
Lisa Shield [00:15:00]:
Yeah. And I know you, like, you care deeply, and if I ever have something that I need to talk to you about, you will give me your full and undivided attention. But you don't walk around saying, oh, I know you had this thing happen. How are you doing? And are you okay? And is there anything you want to talk about? You never would say that to me. And I've had, especially recently, a lot of things going on, but you just trust that I know that you're there for me.
Benjamin Shield [00:15:38]:
Oh, absolutely. If you walk into my office, you know, I stop what I'm doing, everything.
Lisa Shield [00:15:45]:
And you give me your full attention. But you don't pry. You never, ever, ever pry. And I have never taken that as a lack of caring on your part. I know I could come to you for anything, but I also know that you're not going to be coming to me and saying, well, how are you doing? Is everything okay? And would you like to talk about anything? So. And that's, you know, I don't. I just know you're there for me. And I think most women need to understand that a man who loves you would do anything in the world for you.
Lisa Shield [00:16:24]:
And even if he's not checking up or checking in, it doesn't mean he doesn't care. If you needed him, he'd be there in a second. And that's what you have to learn. A mature woman knows that and can trust that with a partner. So what else, babe?
Benjamin Shield [00:16:46]:
You know, men often, as you mentioned, don't share just for the sake of sharing. You know, we will bring something up if it's important, if we need information, if we want to communicate something. But we're not going to be just sharing, whether it's genetic or just societal. We just don't walk around saying, you know, I just want to share my thoughts with you. And it does happen, of course. And for a woman to create that space for a man to open is really important, but it's not something we tend to do.
Lisa Shield [00:17:37]:
Does it ever feel lonely, like not sharing those things?
Benjamin Shield [00:17:44]:
No. No. I think that, you know, men could be in their heads and, you know, where I think women need that companionship.
Lisa Shield [00:17:57]:
To share those thoughts that they feel connection that way.
Benjamin Shield [00:18:01]:
Yeah. Yeah.
Lisa Shield [00:18:04]:
How do men feel connection? Like, if you're really, you know. I know, like, we want to talk and communicate and all, but sometimes I think you feel the most connection just when we're laying together on the sofa.
Benjamin Shield [00:18:19]:
Right. One of my favorite expressions is the universal language of shamans is silence. And there's a magic to the silence because a man feels connected. He doesn't feel he has to come up with a thought or response. It's just communing with another person's soul.
Lisa Shield [00:18:43]:
It's funny, women need to really get that, you know, that in some ways, no matter how communicative a man is, most women will always want more, if that makes sense. Like, I think for most women, they want so deeply to get into the inner life of the man that they're with that that feels so important to them to go there. And if I were to offer any, you know, because I feel like I know you as well as any woman could ever know a man. I really, really believe that. And I don't think that that's, you know, just ego. Like, I really feel that. I know you. I respect you.
Lisa Shield [00:19:34]:
I know every nuance of your personality. I know what you need. I can read your signals, and I have, you know, I'm so in sync with you, but I don't ever put you, put pressure on you to talk to me, to share with me. I don't sit. You know, if you're going through something, I create space for you to go through that. When we went to Cuba, I knew that there were some things that were going on, but, you know, I gave you space. You know, I didn't, like, sit down and say, we need to talk and what's going on and whatever. Yeah.
Benjamin Shield [00:20:24]:
And it was my knees.
Lisa Shield [00:20:26]:
Wow.
Benjamin Shield [00:20:26]:
There wasn't any deep psychological issue. It was 71 year old knees.
Lisa Shield [00:20:32]:
Yeah. But I didn't know. I knew that there was something happening, and I really trusted and respected you as a man, and I knew that you would tell me what was going on. I knew that, you know, and I just made space for it. I mean, we were on vacation, and so what. My greatest goal in life is just to be with you wherever we are and wherever you are. So there is. Respecting a man is something I think women really need to understand, because this isn't something that you come at a man with your idea of what, what it looks like.
Lisa Shield [00:21:22]:
To respect a man, you need to really know your man and give him not what you think he needs, but what he communicates, what he tells you he needs, what he shows you he needs, you know? And that's the most beautiful thing, because I do know who you are as a man, and I love and respect everything about that. But I also want. You know, we had a conversation this morning, because I know that you're having this operation, these operations, and these two knee replacements. And, you know, I am concerned about you, but I also am very respectful of the fact that you don't want to be seen as a patient. And so I communicate, you know, I said, honey, I'm asking because I want you to know that I do care, but not that I see you as a patient, but I want you to know that I'm thinking about you and I care about you. So both things can coexist. You can make room for my caring, and I can make room for your need for space. And, you know, not having me hover over.
Benjamin Shield [00:22:45]:
Yeah. And you're not telling me how to handle the surgery, the post surgery, none of that.
Lisa Shield [00:22:52]:
I know that you will. You will walk through it in your beautiful way that you always do have and always do. And, yeah, I know that. I know we'll get through it together. Definitely not the first time. So that's really beautiful. But we communicate and we respect each other's differences. You know, it was really sweet how you were willing to hear me say, look, I'm only asking because I want you to know that I'm thinking of you, and I care.
Lisa Shield [00:23:27]:
So that was very sweet. So what are some other differences?
Benjamin Shield [00:23:33]:
Well, again, we're looking for direct. A man is looking for direct communication, and he's so appreciative, and also because he uses fewer words. He's very sensitive when his partner uses a lot of words. And sometimes when a woman is excited, she could, what I would call, run past the finish line, where the point is made, and then the conversation goes on and sometimes on, and a man begins to tune out. So the impact of the original communication gets muted, and it can become distancing rather than bringing people together.
Lisa Shield [00:24:31]:
So the point is, get to the point.
Benjamin Shield [00:24:35]:
And stop and don't run past.
Lisa Shield [00:24:37]:
The finish line and don't run past. So these are some ways that you can communicate better with men. So being concise and direct. And what else, babe?
Benjamin Shield [00:24:45]:
Well, listening actively without interrupting, without asking a lot of questions, but really giving the space for a man to speak and really knowing that he's been heard, it's important. And I think it's something that a woman can give a man that he doesn't get from his friends.
Lisa Shield [00:25:08]:
His male friends. Yeah. And not necessarily offering advice, asking before. You know, men will often be very open to their partner's advice or feedback, but it's also important how you do that, because women can often come across as condescending to men. When women offer a man advice, they can often come in in a very masculine way, like they're, you know, they have. They know what to do, as if the man doesn't know what to do. And when you're talking to men and you do give them advice or you want to give them feedback, it is very important not to shame them. So it would be like, look, you may already know this, or you may have already thought about this, and I was wondering if.
Lisa Shield [00:26:01]:
So I always make it very much a suggestion when I give you feedback, I never am telling you, but I'm offering. Or you may have considered this already. I thought I would. But if you haven't, this is something you may want to look at so very gently.
Benjamin Shield [00:26:22]:
And I think it's important. Building on that is knowing that a man needs space, whether it's in silence or the pauses in conversation or just being alone so he doesn't feel overwhelmed with words. And I think a man could feel overwhelmed more than a woman can.
Lisa Shield [00:26:49]:
Well, and it's having patience, you know, being patient with men. They're not as quick. They're quick in different ways. I mean, men are very quick and very sharp. In many ways, in communication, I think men are much more deliberate. They're much more thoughtful. They're much more worried also about saying the wrong thing. They're often very worried about hurting women because we can be emotional and hold on to things.
Lisa Shield [00:27:23]:
So having patience with men and giving them space is really, really important.
Benjamin Shield [00:27:32]:
And I think the words that a man dreads the most is, honey, we need to talk. When a man hears that, he stops breathing and his cortisol level just rises his stress hormones. He assumes he did something wrong. And that makes him feel like it makes him feel shame. And the shame puts him into a defensive posture, and the defensive posture keeps him from feeling compassion for what his partner is trying to tell him and his partner's emotions are. And this lack of feeling stirs up her fear and anxiety because he's withdrawing and there's disconnection between the two people. And the disconnection makes it the least opportune time to have a conversation. So, honey, we need to talk.
Benjamin Shield [00:28:43]:
It should be out of the lexicon. Yeah.
Lisa Shield [00:28:46]:
And then what would be a better way for a woman to say that? Let's say she wanted to have a conversation.
Benjamin Shield [00:28:53]:
You know, sweetheart, is this a good time to talk? I'd love to share something with you.
Lisa Shield [00:28:57]:
Or even there's something that you could help me with.
Benjamin Shield [00:29:00]:
Perfect.
Lisa Shield [00:29:01]:
You know, babe, there's something you could really help me with.
Benjamin Shield [00:29:03]:
Yeah. And that puts the man on her side, on her team. Great. I can help her. Rather than. What did I do wrong? So a man will never say, I've been dying to share my feelings about our life together. And I especially want to hear how you feel about us and what you want for us.
Lisa Shield [00:29:30]:
Not gonna happen.
Benjamin Shield [00:29:31]:
Not gonna happen.
Lisa Shield [00:29:32]:
No.
Benjamin Shield [00:29:32]:
To a man, talking about the relationship is like two people being in a tar pit.
Lisa Shield [00:29:42]:
That's very, very, very funny. You know, we. I mean, I know people find this weird. We never. The only time we ever talk about our relationship is to talk about how wonderful it is and how lucky we are.
Benjamin Shield [00:29:57]:
Just gratitude.
Lisa Shield [00:29:58]:
Yeah. Yeah. But we never talk about how it's not going well or what we need from each other. I mean, we're just there to fulfill each other's needs. That's all we want to do.
Benjamin Shield [00:30:10]:
Yeah. I mean, it's. It's. We so much think about the other person that there really isn't the need of what's lacking.
Lisa Shield [00:30:21]:
Right.
Benjamin Shield [00:30:21]:
We never lack. It's just gratitude of what is.
Lisa Shield [00:30:25]:
Yeah. We're just so happy, and we know how lucky we are, and I think we just want to enjoy every second of it. Yeah. So the primary way that men deal with shame is to avoid whatever invokes it, while the primary way women deal with fear is to talk about it. You want to say a little more about that?
Benjamin Shield [00:30:51]:
Well, if a man feels shame, he's just going to avoid any conversation around it because it'll just drive it deeper. But the primary way a woman deals with issues, often when she feels fear, I think one of the worst things a man could feel is shame. And what often a woman could feel in a relationship is fear. And when a woman feels fear, she wants to talk about it. And so a man may want to be pulling away. A woman may be coming forward. So again, it's what you had said about meeting in the middle, saying that she really needs to talk about it. And if a man is absolutely incapable of talking about it that moment, he'll say, I really want to hear this, and could you give me a little bit of time and let's sit down and talk?
Lisa Shield [00:31:51]:
Well, and I also think that, yeah, it's a tough one. That's really a big. That's a big block for men and women. It really is. I think that one of the ways women can avoid that altogether is to learn. We, in our course, of course, we teach women non shaming communication, where they learn how to express everything they want to say to a man, but in a way that it will draw a man closer. And as they establish that safety and trust, men don't need to pull away or feel shame because they speak in such a non shaming way. They say things like, there's something you can help me with, or you would be my hero, or I would love it if, you know, whatever.
Lisa Shield [00:32:47]:
And so when we do it that way, a man wants to come closer. He feels safe coming closer. And it's so, so important for women to learn how to speak to men. You know, I don't think we realize. I grew up with a very shaming mother. My father was no walk in the park. No walk in the park. And I understand all of her anger towards him.
Lisa Shield [00:33:17]:
And the way that she spoke to him was awful. Awful and so shaming and so belittling. And my father was so weak. He had such a weak. You know, he had. He was so narcissistic because underneath he was so weak. But she did everything she could to shame him. And I couldn't imagine.
Lisa Shield [00:33:42]:
I can. I can see why my father exited the relationship in the ways that he did. You know, neither one was innocent. But I also feel if we're speaking to women, our clients are mostly, are all women. And so I feel that it is so important. You know, I'm a woman. I mean, I'm not a man. I can understand men, and I can do my very best.
Lisa Shield [00:34:09]:
But as a woman, I have to take responsibility for how I'm showing up. And then I can sit back. If I'm showing up in a beautiful way, I can sit back and watch how men respond and then say, you know, I'm showing up in the best possible way and you're not meeting me. And then you really are very clear. That's how I got so clear about the man that was sitting in front of me on a date was because I started to do these things, and that's why I attracted you and this relationship. All right, baby. Well, the bottom line is, think connection, not communication. Men see relationships more as a place to relax than have dynamic interactions.
Lisa Shield [00:35:03]:
And that will happen. I mean, two people in a relationship need each other. They need us. They need connection. They need communication. They need to talk to one another. There are times that both partners will need to lean into and lean on each other. But truly, you need to meet in the middle.
Lisa Shield [00:35:27]:
And for a man, think connection, not communication. All right? So, thank you, baby.
Benjamin Shield [00:35:34]:
You're welcome.
Lisa Shield [00:35:35]:
That was really great. I really loved that. I personally thought that was one of our better.
Benjamin Shield [00:35:42]:
Those were more words than I used in a long time.
Lisa Shield [00:35:45]:
I know. Yes, they were. So, if you would like additional information about my six month, emotionally naked dating course, which Benjamin also and I work together in this program. So if you enjoyed this and you want more of this kind of support, and you want more of our wisdom, then please go to lisashield.com, click the button to watch my free presentation, because at the end of that presentation, you can sign up for a free breakthrough call with a member of my team who will show you how we can help you find the guardian of your soul. Also, you can join me for my other broadcast, finding the guardian of your soul, which is available everywhere you get your podcasts. And finally, our best topics come from listeners like you. So please write to podcasthield.com with your suggestion for future topics. Thank you again.
Lisa Shield [00:36:52]:
I'm Lisa Shield.
Benjamin Shield [00:36:53]:
And I'm Benjamin Shield.
Lisa Shield [00:36:54]:
And we will see you next time. Bye.